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		<title>By: Haruki</title>
		<link>http://www.haruki.eu/blog/2006/11/02/eco-friendly/#comment-2135</link>
		<dc:creator>Haruki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to my webpage! Do you live in Madrid, too? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to my webpage! Do you live in Madrid, too? <img src='http://www.haruki.eu/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Antti</title>
		<link>http://www.haruki.eu/blog/2006/11/02/eco-friendly/#comment-2134</link>
		<dc:creator>Antti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a stash of 30 wine bottles and was looking for a glass recycling container - and came across this site! Seems that some work still to be done for the Madrid &quot;ayuntamento&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a stash of 30 wine bottles and was looking for a glass recycling container &#8211; and came across this site! Seems that some work still to be done for the Madrid &#8220;ayuntamento&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Haruki</title>
		<link>http://www.haruki.eu/blog/2006/11/02/eco-friendly/#comment-2133</link>
		<dc:creator>Haruki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, really? In Spain, they have just started recycling and those recycling containers takes lots of space! Besides, I have seen people putting garbage in there.
Who&#039;s going to sort them out in France?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, really? In Spain, they have just started recycling and those recycling containers takes lots of space! Besides, I have seen people putting garbage in there.<br />
Who&#8217;s going to sort them out in France?</p>
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		<title>By: iiome</title>
		<link>http://www.haruki.eu/blog/2006/11/02/eco-friendly/#comment-2132</link>
		<dc:creator>iiome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 01:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now the smile dinosaur advertising for PET recycling quit smiling and even ask you to pressure the bottle otherwise it would take to much space in the bin.

Ten years ago in France I wouldn&#039;t have recycled anything. Disposal areas where separated (glass, paper, metal) and at least a ten minutes car ride away.

Now thing changed: glass, paper, pet and aluminum get collected at home in a single bag. People don&#039;t have to sort everything out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now the smile dinosaur advertising for PET recycling quit smiling and even ask you to pressure the bottle otherwise it would take to much space in the bin.</p>
<p>Ten years ago in France I wouldn&#8217;t have recycled anything. Disposal areas where separated (glass, paper, metal) and at least a ten minutes car ride away.</p>
<p>Now thing changed: glass, paper, pet and aluminum get collected at home in a single bag. People don&#8217;t have to sort everything out.</p>
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		<title>By: Haruki</title>
		<link>http://www.haruki.eu/blog/2006/11/02/eco-friendly/#comment-2131</link>
		<dc:creator>Haruki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 21:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah huh, &quot;forced&quot; ;-)

Recycling: sure, US and Japan also has non-refund recycling systems. (Talking about Japan, I have never seen any refund. On the contrary, when you dispose quite big stuff like futon, you have to pay!)
If it works with no incentive, it would be so much better... :-)

By the way, I really like the photo. If someone knows which country it comes from, please tell me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah huh, &#8220;forced&#8221; <img src='http://www.haruki.eu/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Recycling: sure, US and Japan also has non-refund recycling systems. (Talking about Japan, I have never seen any refund. On the contrary, when you dispose quite big stuff like futon, you have to pay!)<br />
If it works with no incentive, it would be so much better&#8230; <img src='http://www.haruki.eu/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>By the way, I really like the photo. If someone knows which country it comes from, please tell me!</p>
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		<title>By: Guille</title>
		<link>http://www.haruki.eu/blog/2006/11/02/eco-friendly/#comment-2130</link>
		<dc:creator>Guille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... in Spain (and Switzerland, and many other places) we also have the system where you give back the bottles and they give you back money. We even have the system in Switzerland where you give back the bottles of PET... and that&#039;s all, no money, no thanks, simply a good conscience. Nothing new under the sky there :-P

Concerning Japan, I do understand it&#039;s part of the culture. It&#039;s a *nice* part of the culture. But still, it&#039;s not very ecofriendly :-)

In Madrid there was a convergence of factors. An important campaign made people aware of the importance of saving water, and at the same time, very low water reserve levels made those savings imperative. So yeah, they were a bit forced to change!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; in Spain (and Switzerland, and many other places) we also have the system where you give back the bottles and they give you back money. We even have the system in Switzerland where you give back the bottles of PET&#8230; and that&#8217;s all, no money, no thanks, simply a good conscience. Nothing new under the sky there <img src='http://www.haruki.eu/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Concerning Japan, I do understand it&#8217;s part of the culture. It&#8217;s a *nice* part of the culture. But still, it&#8217;s not very ecofriendly <img src='http://www.haruki.eu/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In Madrid there was a convergence of factors. An important campaign made people aware of the importance of saving water, and at the same time, very low water reserve levels made those savings imperative. So yeah, they were a bit forced to change!</p>
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		<title>By: Haruki</title>
		<link>http://www.haruki.eu/blog/2006/11/02/eco-friendly/#comment-2129</link>
		<dc:creator>Haruki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 12:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hola Guille!

Thanks for your long comment. (Didn&#039;t know you posted it right after I wrote!)

I&#039;m also thinking that maybe people here are in a way eco-friendly: here in Madrid, I often see non-homeless people forage for food or look for something useful in the garbage box. I&#039;ve seen some homeless people doing that in Japan, too, but never anyone in a clean T-shirt.

Indeed, US is the greatest comsumers of oil. They use the huge refridge that consumes lots of electricity, always drive cars, have electrified heaters, stoves, and even can openers. Maybe their eco-friendliness comes from the sense of guilt for the massive consumption.
However, it&#039;s also true that they have introduced interesting systems, too. For example, I liked the can recycling machine in many supermarkets. When you return cans and put them into the machine, you can get 5 cents refunded/can. It&#039;s not a lot, yet you can get some money and it&#039;s fun to do!

Talking about Japan, I also agree that we use too much wrapping materials. However, in some cases, it would be difficult to change it, as wrapping is a part of our culture.
In Japanese &quot;tsutsumu (to wrap)&quot; originally meant &quot;to put one&#039;s heart into it&quot;, or &quot;with all one&#039;s heart&quot;. Also, in our &quot;indirect&quot; culture, wrapping something neatly and with lots of materials often show modesty. In short, gifts that are not wrapped or are only lightly wrapped might be inappropiate in some situations.
Well, it&#039;s also been changing. People do not use too much stuff (although it still seems a lot to you :-) and personally, I always keep nice wrapping papers and ribbons.

I didn&#039;t know about the decline of the water consumption. Am cuiorus to know what has changed people&#039;s attitude so much. Advertisement? At least, from the domestic level, I haven&#039;t really seen much change. (Don&#039;t you remember some woman running the water all the time while she was cleaning the dishes and the kitchen? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hola Guille!</p>
<p>Thanks for your long comment. (Didn&#8217;t know you posted it right after I wrote!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also thinking that maybe people here are in a way eco-friendly: here in Madrid, I often see non-homeless people forage for food or look for something useful in the garbage box. I&#8217;ve seen some homeless people doing that in Japan, too, but never anyone in a clean T-shirt.</p>
<p>Indeed, US is the greatest comsumers of oil. They use the huge refridge that consumes lots of electricity, always drive cars, have electrified heaters, stoves, and even can openers. Maybe their eco-friendliness comes from the sense of guilt for the massive consumption.<br />
However, it&#8217;s also true that they have introduced interesting systems, too. For example, I liked the can recycling machine in many supermarkets. When you return cans and put them into the machine, you can get 5 cents refunded/can. It&#8217;s not a lot, yet you can get some money and it&#8217;s fun to do!</p>
<p>Talking about Japan, I also agree that we use too much wrapping materials. However, in some cases, it would be difficult to change it, as wrapping is a part of our culture.<br />
In Japanese &#8220;tsutsumu (to wrap)&#8221; originally meant &#8220;to put one&#8217;s heart into it&#8221;, or &#8220;with all one&#8217;s heart&#8221;. Also, in our &#8220;indirect&#8221; culture, wrapping something neatly and with lots of materials often show modesty. In short, gifts that are not wrapped or are only lightly wrapped might be inappropiate in some situations.<br />
Well, it&#8217;s also been changing. People do not use too much stuff (although it still seems a lot to you <img src='http://www.haruki.eu/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  and personally, I always keep nice wrapping papers and ribbons.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know about the decline of the water consumption. Am cuiorus to know what has changed people&#8217;s attitude so much. Advertisement? At least, from the domestic level, I haven&#8217;t really seen much change. (Don&#8217;t you remember some woman running the water all the time while she was cleaning the dishes and the kitchen? <img src='http://www.haruki.eu/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Guille</title>
		<link>http://www.haruki.eu/blog/2006/11/02/eco-friendly/#comment-2128</link>
		<dc:creator>Guille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 01:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are probably right about the general concept. We should aim to a less consuming way of live.

But the curious thing is, the countries that gave you the eco-friendliness feeling are among the worse poluters of the world. And some of those countries that you consider less eco-friends are actually very ecologic in some areas.

Indeed, the United-Staters are among the greatest consumers of oil, and anyone who has been in Japan can see the amaying amount of wrapping they put around anything.

And anyone that has been to Madrid can see that the subject of the water is very important, and the consumption of the blue gold (as water is sometimes called) has descended dramatically those last years.

All this to say, it&#039;s not enough to *feel* ecofriendly. You must eventually *become* it :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are probably right about the general concept. We should aim to a less consuming way of live.</p>
<p>But the curious thing is, the countries that gave you the eco-friendliness feeling are among the worse poluters of the world. And some of those countries that you consider less eco-friends are actually very ecologic in some areas.</p>
<p>Indeed, the United-Staters are among the greatest consumers of oil, and anyone who has been in Japan can see the amaying amount of wrapping they put around anything.</p>
<p>And anyone that has been to Madrid can see that the subject of the water is very important, and the consumption of the blue gold (as water is sometimes called) has descended dramatically those last years.</p>
<p>All this to say, it&#8217;s not enough to *feel* ecofriendly. You must eventually *become* it <img src='http://www.haruki.eu/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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